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04/08/2022 08:00 AM House EDUCATION

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08:06:06 AM Presentation: Alaska Per Pupil K-12 Spending Analysis by the Institute of Social and Economic Research
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 8, 2022                                                                                          
                           8:05 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Harriet Drummond, Co-Chair                                                                                       
Representative Andi Story, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Grier Hopkins                                                                                                    
Representative Mike Prax                                                                                                        
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Ronald Gillham                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tiffany Zulkosky                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  ALASKA PER PUPIL  K-12 SPENDING ANALYSIS                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DAYNA DEFEO, PhD, Director                                                                                                      
Center for Alaska Education Policy Research;                                                                                    
Assistant Professor                                                                                                             
Institute for Social and Economic Research                                                                                      
University of Alaska Anchorage                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Co-presented a PowerPoint, titled "Alaska                                                                
Per Pupil K-12 Spending Analysis."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MATTHEW BERMAN, PhD, Professor                                                                                                  
Institute for Social and Economic Research                                                                                      
University of Alaska Anchorage                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Co-presented a PowerPoint, titled "Alaska                                                                 
Per Pupil K-12 Spending Analysis."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:05:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HARRIET DRUMMOND  called the  House Education  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 8:05 a.m.   Representatives Story,                                                               
Gillham,  Hopkins,  and Drummond  were  present  at the  call  to                                                               
order.   Representatives Cronk  and Prax  arrived as  the meeting                                                               
was in progress.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:   Alaska Per Pupil  K-12 Spending Analysis  by The                                                               
Institute of Social and Economic Research                                                                                       
 PRESENTATION:  Alaska Per Pupil K-12 Spending Analysis by The                                                              
           Institute of Social and Economic Research                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
8:06:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  announced that  the  only  order of  business                                                               
would  be a  presentation  on Alaska's  per  pupil K-12  spending                                                               
analysis.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:06:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAYNA DEFEO,  PhD, Director, Center  for Alaska  Education Policy                                                               
Research; Research  Professor, Institute for Social  and Economic                                                               
Research (ISER),  University of Alaska Anchorage,  co-presented a                                                               
PowerPoint,  titled "Alaska  Per  Pupil  K-12 Spending  Analysis"                                                               
[hard copy  included in the  committee packet].  She  pointed out                                                               
it  is  often heard  that  "Alaska  spends  a  lot per  pupil  on                                                               
education."   She stated  that, for the  analysis, data  from the                                                               
U.S. Census Bureau's Annual Survey  of School System Finances was                                                               
used.   Adjustments were applied  to the data to  accommodate for                                                               
community-cost  differentials and  cost of  living indices.   The                                                               
data  shows that  Alaska  spends $18,394  on  average per  pupil,                                                               
grades K-12, which is the sixth  highest in the nation.  She said                                                               
it is 39 percent higher than  the national average and 46 percent                                                               
higher than  in 2017.   She said  "raw dollars" show  that Alaska                                                               
spends about $5,000  more per student than  the national average;                                                               
however, the data is skewed by  the high cost of living in Alaska                                                               
compared to the average U.S. cost  of living, as seen on Slide 6.                                                               
She stated  that adjusting "raw  dollars" to  "Anchorage dollars"                                                               
explains  the  difference  between   Alaska's  spending  and  the                                                               
national average.   Because  the cost of  living in  Anchorage is                                                               
higher than the national average,  the dollars were then adjusted                                                               
to reflect the cost of living.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:19:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MATTHEW  BERMAN,   PhD,  Professor,  Institute  for   Social  and                                                               
Economic Research,  University of Alaska  Anchorage, co-presented                                                               
the PowerPoint, titled "Alaska Per  Pupil K-12 Spending Analysis"                                                               
[hard copy included in the  committee packet].  He explained that                                                               
utilizing data from  the census has helped  to accurately analyze                                                               
the differences between  all 50 states.  He added  that data from                                                               
the  National  Center for  Education  Statistics  was also  used.                                                               
Because  of  the  impacts  of the  COVID-19  pandemic  on  school                                                               
budgets in 2020 and 2021, he  advised that 2019 was a better year                                                               
to sample.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:22:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  DEFEO explained  that data  from the  U.S. Census  Bureau is                                                               
publicly  available.   She explained  that, because  the cost  of                                                               
goods  varies  throughout  the   state,  the  cost  differentials                                                               
relative   to  Anchorage   were   used.     The   geographic-cost                                                               
differential   was  weighed   by  the   district  average   daily                                                               
membership, which leveled the differences  in cost within Alaska.                                                               
She described the community-cost  differentials on slide 8, which                                                               
showed that  rural school districts  costs are 1.5 times  that of                                                               
Anchorage's school  district costs.   She said that not  only are                                                               
costs  significantly different  between districts,  but Anchorage                                                               
has a higher standard of living  than other cities in the nation.                                                               
She continued that  the final step of  adjustments involved using                                                               
the  cost-of-living index  created by  the Council  for Community                                                               
and  Economic  Research.   After  applying  the adjustments,  she                                                               
pointed out  that the final  number was $12,281 per  pupil, which                                                               
is 7 percent lower than the 2019 U.S. average.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:26:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. DEFEO gave a comparison  of private school tuition, including                                                               
a figure of $18,800 per year  per pupil from the Pacific Northern                                                               
Academy.  She said that  private schools operate differently from                                                               
public  schools  and  can receive  donations,  which  can  offset                                                               
tuition  costs.   She also  noted  that private  schools are  not                                                               
required  to   provide  funds  for  transportation   and  special                                                               
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:34:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BERMAN  pointed   out  that  Alaska  has  a   high  rate  of                                                               
correspondence  students,   which  brings  costs   down  slightly                                                               
relative to  other states.   For the purposes of  consistency and                                                               
transparency,  when   adjusting  the  per-pupil   spending  data,                                                               
correspondence students were  factored in the same  way the state                                                               
adjusts funding.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:35:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. DEFEO  noted that  Alaskans pay  more for  education, whether                                                               
the numbers are adjusted or not.   She stated that the drivers of                                                               
these  costs  include small  schools,  health  care, energy,  and                                                               
geographic costs.  She emphasized that  the cost is not driven by                                                               
teacher salaries;  in fact,  teachers are  paid 15  percent below                                                               
what is  needed, which impacts  retention.  She said  that Alaska                                                               
has 443  "regular schools."   Of these  schools, 13  percent have                                                               
fewer than  25 students  and 8  percent have  26 to  50 students.                                                               
She stated that the state  has a legal and ethical responsibility                                                               
to provide  public education to all  students; therefore, despite                                                               
being more  costly to operate,  small schools are required  to be                                                               
funded.   She explained  that small schools  do not  benefit from                                                               
economies  of scale  in capital  costs.   Even  though they  have                                                               
relatively  small class  sizes, they  have higher  turnover rates                                                               
for teachers  and principals.   She  compared this  with Alaska's                                                               
healthcare  costs, which  are the  highest in  the country.   She                                                               
explained that  Alaskans pay more  for benefits, but they  do not                                                               
necessarily  have  better  benefits.   Concerning  the  costs  of                                                               
smaller  schools,  she continued  that  energy  is expensive  and                                                               
highly variable, as  costs fluctuate over time  and by geography.                                                               
Districts  have  different  capacities to  negotiate  competitive                                                               
fuel prices,  and in remote  places, schools do not  benefit from                                                               
the Power  Cost Equalization  Program.   She stated  that schools                                                               
must have  heat and  light in buildings,  regardless of  how many                                                               
students  are enrolled.    When including  other  costs, such  as                                                               
fuel, healthcare, and  goods, she said school costs  in Alaska go                                                               
beyond education  policy; therefore, comparatively,  other states                                                               
are investing  more in public  education.  She added  that Alaska                                                               
is  not producing  the number  of teachers  needed, so  the state                                                               
must compete with  the national market for teachers.   She argued                                                               
that,  before  Alaska  can  invest  in  its  students  and  their                                                               
futures, working conditions, salaries,  and benefits for teachers                                                               
must be competitive.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:47:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. DEFEO,  in response to  a question from Co-Chair  Story, said                                                               
there are many measures beyond  per-pupil investment, which could                                                               
contribute to  achievement outcomes for students.   These include                                                               
income, parents, communities, and other variables.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:49:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. BERMAN  advised that, in  order to  study the impact  of per-                                                               
pupil costs, desired specific outcomes  should be identified.  He                                                               
said  the  state  of  the  art  among  economics  involves  using                                                               
lifetime  earnings as  a metric  of success.   He  explained that                                                               
this  metric  creates  a complex  discussion,  requiring  careful                                                               
consideration in answering the committee's  question about how to                                                               
study student outcomes based on funding.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:51:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  DEFOE added  that there  is research  which shows  there are                                                               
other impacts  outside of  the family.   She suggested  that good                                                               
teachers make  a difference in  educational outcomes.   She added                                                               
that  there is  evidence  which relates  good  salaries and  good                                                               
working conditions attract good teachers.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:55:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND said  when  fixed costs,  such  as energy  and                                                               
healthcare increase, downward pressure is  put on the rest of the                                                               
budget, and this causes salaries and  teachers to be cut.  With a                                                               
higher  pupil-to-teacher ratio  found in  urban areas  of Alaska,                                                               
individual  students  are not  given  adequate  attention.   High                                                               
teacher turnover  is more  common in rural  parts of  Alaska, and                                                               
this results in lower student outcomes.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:56:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  DEFEO,  in  reference  to studies  about  teacher  turnover,                                                               
stated  that  in rural  Alaska  teachers  have small  classrooms,                                                               
teaching  multiple  grades in  multiple  subjects,  which can  be                                                               
outside of  their training.   She stated  that small  class sizes                                                               
are  linked to  better outcomes;  however, in  the case  of rural                                                               
schools in  Alaska, challenging teaching conditions  exempt these                                                               
schools  from  this statistic.    She  recommended conducting  an                                                               
adequacy study.   Instead of  looking at dollars, it  should look                                                               
at  resources and  the minimum  adequate  threshold of  education                                                               
services.   She stated that an  adequacy study was called  for by                                                               
the  legislature around  2014, but  the  study has  not yet  been                                                               
conducted.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:03:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. BERMAN confirmed that ISER  study utilized data from the U.S.                                                               
Census  Bureau.     He  said   the  education   spending  figures                                                               
incorporated all  forms of spending, including  local, state, and                                                               
federal  sources.   The  capital  costs are  also  included.   He                                                               
advised  it would  be  difficult  to pull  out  results from  the                                                               
census to determine each district's  spending on each item listed                                                               
in  the census  questionnaire.   However,  he  asserted that  the                                                               
census data  was a better source  to cite when compared  with the                                                               
National Education Association's school statistics.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:20:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  DEFEO,  in  response  to a  question  from  Co-Chair  Story,                                                               
mentioned  that  2020  data has  recently  been  made  available;                                                               
however, because  of the pandemic, it  may not be as  valuable to                                                               
study for the purpose of analyzing per-pupil spending in Alaska.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:24:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BERMAN, in  response  to a  comment  made by  Representative                                                               
Hopkins, stated that it is  possible to compare Alaska's adjusted                                                               
numbers to other states with  similar education costs.  There are                                                               
studies  which  have attempted  to  adjust  other states  to  the                                                               
national average.   To do  so there must  be a price  index which                                                               
applies to all states.  He  stated that this method does not work                                                               
for Alaska.   He said that the Bureau of  Economic Analysis has a                                                               
regional  price  parity  index  with  numbers  for  every  state;                                                               
however,  it shows  prices in  Alaska are  only 5  percent higher                                                               
than the  national average.   He stated  that when  analyzing how                                                               
the  percentage is  computed, it  is evident  some items  are not                                                               
reported, such  as the cost  of housing and  healthcare; instead,                                                               
the national  average is  used for  these.   He related  that the                                                               
national adjustment  does not adequately reflect  Alaska and will                                                               
provide a  skewed number  if used  to compare  Alaska's per-pupil                                                               
spending to another state with similar education spending.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:32:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  DEFEO said  graduation minimums  were standardized  in 2015;                                                               
however, there  can still be  some differences  between districts                                                               
concerning requirements for graduation.   When rules are changed,                                                               
so are outcomes, which makes it  difficult to compare one year to                                                               
the  next.   Attempting  to  measure  student outcomes  with  any                                                               
degree   of  certainty   is  difficult   due  to   a  myriad   of                                                               
complexities.    She  referred  to a  graduation  rate  study  in                                                               
Anchorage  and discussed  fifth-year rate  improvements.   In the                                                               
study, she cited  there was a significant  gap between low-income                                                               
students  and  economically stable  students.    The gap  between                                                               
students  of color  and white  students was  pronounced as  well.                                                               
She concluded that Alaska graduation rates have increased since                                                                 
2015, but there are many intricacies to consider.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:35:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BERMAN anecdotally  compared Texas  to Alaska  and mentioned                                                               
that Texas  is a large state  with urban and rural  areas.  Texas                                                               
is  also  an  oil  state  and   has  a  permanent  fund  that  is                                                               
constitutionally  dedicated  to  education,  which  creates  some                                                               
equity between districts throughout the state.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:55:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND thanked the speakers.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:56:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 9:56 a.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Presentation.Ed costs in Alaska.ISER 4.8.2022.pdf HEDC 4/8/2022 8:00:00 AM